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Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:36 pm
by Heid the Ba
No this is about institutional kiddie fiddling in parliament and the judiciary in the 1970s, rather than institutional kiddie fiddling in the BBC in the 1970s.

They seem to have listened to me and found an english speaking judge from a distant land.

Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:44 pm
by Heid the Ba
Lianachan wrote:
Heid the Ba' wrote: I don't think even the most rabid UKIPer would try to blame the paedophilia on immigrants or Muslims.

*cough* Rotherham *cough*

Co-incidentally Rotherham council have been declared "not fit for purpose" due to their inability and unwillingness to protect those in their care.
Edit to add link.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:52 pm
by Heid the Ba
Three in a row, all on the same day.

I came across this today and it is one of the few times I actually agree with anonymity in a court process. Short version is that there is a 36 yo woman with learning difficulties living in the community with a long term partner who also has learning difficulties. She has had six children, can't care for any of them, and they are all in care. If she becomes pregnant again it is likely the child will die and possible she will. To protect her and any (as yet unconceived) future children the court has ordered that she be sterilised. Given such a draconian decision I do not want to imagine how bleak the circumstances are, but it looks like everyone from her doctors, social workers, carers etc. all agree this is the best course. This is not unique but it is certainly unusual.

There was a case in Scotland a while back which I was peripherally involved in with the same result, though no children were involved, it was an autistic woman who could no longer stay on birth control for medical reasons.

Re: No secret trial for suspected terrorists.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:44 pm
by MM_Dandy
Heid the Ba' wrote:
Lianachan wrote:
Heid the Ba' wrote: I don't think even the most rabid UKIPer would try to blame the paedophilia on immigrants or Muslims.

*cough* Rotherham *cough*

Co-incidentally Rotherham council have been declared "not fit for purpose" due to their inability and unwillingness to protect those in their care.
Edit to add link.


From the article:
A report commissioned by Communities Secretary Eric Pickles said the authority was "not fit for purpose".
At the risk of diminishing a very serious subject, I have to ask: is that said like the North American counterpart to a gherkin? And I must add that I once had a cat named "Pickles."

At any rate, I hope it gets sorted out for the better for the victims and the community.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:58 pm
by Heid the Ba
Yes, he is a noted salad dodger and not to be taken seriously fo rmany reasons, not just his name.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:15 pm
by Heid the Ba
This story isn't going away anytime soon. Though if you just look at the photos you would put money on the second one being the kiddie-fiddler.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:20 pm
by Lianachan
I'm looking forward to the Westminster kiddiefiddling expose that surely must happen any year now.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:06 pm
by Lance
"to be probed"

I bet they're looking forward to that part.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:16 pm
by Heid the Ba
Looks like the judge appointed is actually keen and competent. Breath not held for any big revelations though.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:19 pm
by Lianachan
They'll stall it until all of the kiddiefiddlers are too old/decrepit to appear in court.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:48 pm
by Heid the Ba
But they are still dragging Janner through the mud, even though he is doolally he'll still get smeared.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:07 pm
by Heid the Ba
For those playing along outside the UK, we have no statute of limitations for any crimes. There are obvious evidential issues for historic crimes but no time bar.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:33 pm
by Lianachan
Heid the Ba' wrote:But they are still dragging Janner through the mud, even though he is doolally he'll still get smeared.

I suppose when trial by media is the best you can get, it's better than nothing.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:38 pm
by Heid the Ba
They can have a trial, he just won't be present and won't suffer any punishment. He can't be found guilty as he can't present a defence but the court can say he did it. The Crown Prosecution Service binned the case but have been forced to prosecute after an appeal.

Edit: to correct details of trial.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:53 am
by Lianachan
Ah. I've not been following it at all, so just assumed that nothing was happening.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:42 pm
by Heid the Ba
There are also calls for a fresh evaluation of his mental capacity, there is a suspicion he has the same type of dementia Pinochet had. If he is faking it at least he knows how tarnished his reputation is, even if he doesn't end up in pokey.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:20 am
by Мастер
Heid the Ba' wrote:there is a suspicion he has the same type of dementia Pinochet had


That is, temporary?

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:15 am
by Arneb
The only reversible dementia EVAR!

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:10 am
by Heid the Ba
It is remarkable that they haven't been able to repeat the treatment.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:02 pm
by Heid the Ba
How very queer, one of the missing files which was given to Leon Brittan, then Home Secretary, to investigate appears to have accused that very same Leon Brittan! As yet they are refusing to draw any conclusions to why it might have gone missing.

It should be noted that Leon Brittan was a close personal friend of the second judge appointed to head the enquiry, not that she saw that as a problem.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:04 pm
by Arneb
Oh no, what do you think she'll be, biased or what? Honni soit qui mal y pense...

Leon Brittan, wasn't that the guy who folded down the British flag in Hong Kong in '97?

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:35 pm
by Heid the Ba
No, that was Chris Patten a different Tory,

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:37 pm
by Arneb
Funny, I could have looked it up on Big W, but didn't. Niver to hear it from a partner in a conversation.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:41 pm
by Heid the Ba
Another Tory named, the biggest one yet.

Re: Secret trials, kiddiefiddling and non-specific bumfooler

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:41 pm
by Lance
Is it me, or does he look like Boris Yeltsin?

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